From the outside, looking in, it may be easy to dismiss industrial design as something less than artistic. That would be a mistake. In fact, it is one of the engines driving the creative sector. No one knows that better than Allen Samuels. He was worked in the field as an inventor, entrepreneur, corporate leader and teacher. He offers up his expertise in this 'creative:impact' conversation with WEMU's David Fair and Deb Polich, President and CEO of The Arts Alliance.